Muddy Waters

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  Biblical incidents that bothered me.

  by EverApostate in

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  i wanted to discuss the (supposed) biblical events that disturbed me a lot when i was a jw.

  these incidents were just read and discussed in the kingdom hall as if these are normal and justified, which clearly weren't.

  perhaps this led to my awakening.

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  Muddy Waters

  Yes, oh my goodness so many…

  ... Samson tying a bunch of foxes together and setting their tails on fire ... so cruel to the foxes...

  ... also so cruel to drown all the wildlife and animals in the flood, even the horses in Pharoah’s army...

  (huge soft spot for animals here...)

  ... but also terrible things to people, described so vividly and graphically: “... tent pegs driven thru temples... fornicators speared thru their private parts... children torn apart by she-bears... infant’s heads being dashed against the rocks... prophets sawn asunder...”

  Eeee, I’m making myself sick. This is such terrible stuff ... some “holy” book, hey....

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  Updated Recommended Reading List

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  2. bible

  not long after i joined here i posted a reading list of books that helped me wake up, but since then i've read so many more that i've found invaluable in furthering and refining my new worldview, plus giving me a more in-depth well read perspective on theological and scientific issues.

  so i thought i'd post an updated comprehensive list for other voracious readers like me who are always looking for good books to read.

  how jesus became god - bart d. ehrman.

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  Muddy Waters

  Great list! Thank you!
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  Alternative witnessing

  by Zyron in

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  2. friends

  those of us still attending meeting are actively encouraged to use out tablets or smartphones to direct people to jw.org.

  how about, after doing the standard presentation casually say to householder, you can also look at this forum to read of experiences of life as a jw as well as the official version?.

  obviously you need to be working by yourself or with a pimo jw..

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  Muddy Waters

  Shepherdless, that is too funny!! It took me a moment to get your sense of humour (or else I'm sleepy) - but that got me laughing!! Thanks for that extra special "mile", being "cringy & awkward"!!! 😂
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  Faced with the reality of mortality

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how have you all coped with facing the reality of our mortality?.

  most of us were raised to firmly believe we would never get old or die... so here we are now having to face the reality that are getting older... we are going to die.. sometimes it really pisses me off that we were never helped to comprehend this most basic of facts.

  we were given a utopian dream as a "fact", and hence never taught how to face our inevitable futures.... thoughts?.

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  Muddy Waters

  Love all these comments, going thru a similar path... Will comment more in a bit... ty
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  2018 Circuit Assemblies Talk Outlines

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://avoidjw.org/en/publications/2018-circuit-assemblies/.

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  Muddy Waters

  Geez... reading those outlines, Darkspilver.... Those poor kids...

  Thank you and WiFiBandit for posting those links, though so depressing. When you are away from the Borg for awhile, it's shocking to notice again just how terribly suppressing and limiting it all is...

  Not to mention mind-numbingly repetitive... What a terribly sad and unnatural way for kids to grow up, and for anybody to live, so tightly controlled and insulated.

  I couldn't help but notice this point from the outline and how hypocritical they are: "...Jesus was a loving shepherd, not someone who rigidly insisted on numerous rules..."

  
  
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  Uber Cart Witnessing at the State Fair

  by truth_b_known in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last thursday i bunch of us working decided we were going to head down to the state fair and badge our way in to get a fletcher's corny dog for lunch.

  we had to go to a specific gate to park and show our credentials to get in.

  this meant driving halfway around the perimeter of the entire fairgrounds.

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  Muddy Waters

  Oh just look at all the happy carts "with hearts"!

  "What a feeeeeling to go wheeeeeling...!"
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  A Visit from the JWs, knocking at our door...!

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ha, another visit from the jws.... thankfully they are few and far between (seem to roll around whenever the co visits or is about to visit...)an elder and his wife, presenting the magazines and inviting us to the talks, which are "so encouraging".

  he had the saddest, most hang-dog expression, as he bemoaned these last days, so critical to deal with, and how the world was getting so terrible, things are so bad, blah blah blah, and every time i looked at her, she smiled encouragingly at me with that bright-eyed, put-on "sincere" smile.

  i thanked them for coming, and said, "i appreciate you thinking about us" (after they said how the "missed us" at the meetings, ugh) -- "but we know where the kingdom hall is if we decide to go back.

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  OMG, Punk, that's it almost exactly!! LOL
  Total doom and gloom and depression.
  Blech!!!
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  What was the biggest thing that convinced you that

  by Ponyo in

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  .....the truth was not the truth... ?

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  Muddy Waters

  Oh, and Ponyo -- I hope the last part of my post didn't sound creepy! lol
  
  Despite my user name, I am female, and happily married (and so thankful that hubby is also OUT!!!)
  
  I realized that asking "which part of my reply gave you shivers" (your words!) might sound strange if you were thinking I were a man. Haha. It is a common misunderstanding, as I inadvertently named myself after a male blues legend.... but at the time I began posting, the "clear waters of truth" were very muddied and mixed up for me. Hence my name. :)
  
  And we never know what people's triggers are, or which things specifically wake them up. So yes, I was wondering which things I said that you might have also agreed with or which resonated with you.
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  When someone you love has gone.

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  since i don't have you,i conjure up an image thatis both real and ideal.. what i do recall is etched in sharp relief, but deeply, in dark caverns of my mind.. the heart is a better well of reminiscence as it draws upan intangible but true past.. a newfound, tranquil corner inme reassures that love, thoughgone missing, is never lost..

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  Muddy Waters

  Backatcha, Coco! :D
  
  I've been feeling a little blue, and having lost my momma a few years back was such a life-changing experience for me, coupled with my present poor health.
  
  I was with her when she died, and so thankful that I was there, as difficult as it was. But it's made me question so many things....
  
  Anyway.
  
  All the best to you and yours, too!
  
  
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  Why I get out of bed every morning.

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  because someone needs my help.. as a jw -- you can relate -- i truly believed that what everyone really needed was the kingdom hope and its eventual reality.

  you know, the hope that does not lead to disappointment.

  of course, if anyone needed practical help with a task or getting through some difficulty, most of us realized that was part of being a helpful and caring friend (or family member).. at nearly seventy years of age -- no, i didn't enter the promised kingdom in my healthful and vibrant youth -- my getting out of bed isn't so bad.

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  Muddy Waters

  Yes, random acts of kindness (RAK) are great!
  We never know whom we might affect by our words, behavior, actions...
  
  (And geez, I sound so JW-ish above!! "How fulfilling to know that..." eep!! LOL) I'm glad you heard my words the way I meant them. :D